cheerleader effect
The cheerleader effect is that people appear more attractive in a group. It is explained by the averaging effect of the group.
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Well for one, you likely have a job, pay for a
house, possibly but car insurance, and buy food. I doubt you submit yourself to
poverty and rely on the goodness of others for each meal.
It’s a lot easier to find your zen without all this
stress, and anyone who took a few months off work but was still paid during quarantine
could attest.
There are Amish people in the US, indigenous
tribespeople in Africa and South America, and multiple other groups that remove
themselves from the capitalistic fray for a variety of reasons.
Secondly the entire idea behind monks/nuns of any
religion is the sacrifice of withdrawing from main societal functions in order
to dedicate all of oneself to spiritual growth and enlightenment. Monks/nuns
don’t marry. They are celibate. They don’t produce children. They take a vow of
poverty. They help others.
This is not selective to Buddhism. Many religions
require or suggest that their religious leaders lead similar lives of exclusion
from the secular in order to have the spiritual strength to serve others.
You must accept that there are many paths to
enlightenment. Not every path is for every person. Nor should every person take
the same path.
Is it not possible to achieve the same 'results' in
20 minutes as you can in 4 hours? So there is an absolute time frame and set
pattern that must be followed to get prescribed results? How fast does
Enlightenment come? What is the real difference between hard and easy? What is
the difference between 20 minutes and 4 hours where Enlightenment is concerned.
How is it predictable? Where does the certainty come from? Seems a lot of
assumptions are being made about some kind of universal path that fits and works
the same in all instances, with all people, in time frames presumed to be
definitive in every case. Truth-- you may or may not achieve the same results,
but similar or better results are as possible either with lay or monk's
practice in long AND short time frames. Which begs the question: what are
results, how and who defines them, and by what measure are they calculated?!?!
lol Sorry, it depends on the independent mind of each individual how and in
what time frame they 'progress'. There is only that. Monk, lay? Doesn't matter.
making an argument that doesn't assume that monastic life is superior to lay life. I just don't see that as an absolute. Monks may just need more structure to foster discipline than perhaps lay people who decide to opt out of a monastic path. I think they, who may already be experienced in discipline, have advantages in some ways where monastics have advantages in others. Experience in ordinary life lends itself to insight on its own. Monastic life my have the structure and quietude for in depth examination and contemplation, but lack the organic inspiration of hardship, stressors of lay life that cause introspections that are just as profound, just as valid, often unexpected epiphanies that lead to near instant Enlightenment, like lightning striking from just a word or unexplainable instances of pure awareness. I don't think that there is really any great distinction between lay and monk. Monks are people, just as householders are using the same tools each with advantages and disadvantages each of their own. As well as individual differences that play a role as well. I'm not sure why I feel the need to hammer this point home. I just think it's a false and unnecessary distinction to say a Monk's path is better, easier, faster or somehow garners more success in some way than the lay path. Lay implies not expert, or nor educated, or not academic enough, like what you find in the arrogance of the 'professional' classes that assume a degree means that no one can possibly be as expert as they, because they took a more formal path. The truth is everyone has access to all the information and books that any academic has read, and can read every one of those sources and gain an equal understanding as these 'professionals'. There is no monopoly on information and knowledge and the professional class has less meaning and assumed credibility than ever before. If you can read, you as a layperson, if you are willing to apply the effort, can attain to the same 'expertise' as any monk or venerated teacher. You are your greatest teacher. Sorry to be somewhat preachy, and I'm not sorry too. lol Hierarchy is helpful but not the of all end all in every endeavor. That is all
Since the mind is where practice takes place, being
monk or householder/layman doesn't really matter. The controlled environment is
the mind, not the exterior conditions you find yourself in. That's just karma,
happenstance. The path is the same. Subjective judgments of monk or lay are
irrelevant. The path in either case is an individual one, yours alone. The
tools used are the same. There is no inferior or superior condition for
practice if the proper perspective is based in the 4NT8FNP! The work is done in
the mind, that's your environment.
You are right that in meditation the 'tuning of the
lute' applies - too tight and it breaks and too loose and you get no sound.
However, the Middle Way is a term with specific
canonical sources as cited.
The reason it is an error to apply it to the
teachings in general is that new folks and people without teachers can misapply
it to the realm of sense pleasures and other indulgences. They can also
misunderstand what is meant by Right Effort and sense restraint and all the way
down the line because it depends on the users definition of moderation. But the
Buddha was quite specific and it's better to look to his teachings.
While it's an okay rule of thumb for conventional
life (which I acknowledged in my original comment) it is, at best, a
well-intentioned simplification that misses crucial subtleties.
It is both easier and more conducive to clarity of
mind in one's progress to understanding truth to maintain a healthy balance.
Residing in extremes is hard to maintain, which becomes a distraction and
impediment, even harmful, inducing suffering, and requires much wasted effort
to reside in the extreme condition. Concentration is wasted in this
maintenance. Whereas, The Middle Way requires little effort or force of mind,
leaving your energies available to the purpose of practice, progressing to
Enlightenment. Not too tight, not too loose. Not indulgent, not depriving. That
is the efficient utility of The Middle Way path. This is an incomplete
perspective, one can delve deeper.
When I was young and free and my imagination had no limits, I dreamed of changing the world. As I grew older and wiser, I discovered the world would not change, so I shortened my sights somewhat and decided to change only my country.
But it, too, seemed immovable.
As I grew into my twilight years, in one last desperate attempt, I settled for changing only my family, those closest to me, but alas, they would have none of it.
And now, as I lie on my deathbed, I suddenly realize: If I had only changed myself first, then by example I would have changed my family.
From their inspiration and encouragement, I would then have been able to better my country, and who knows, I may have even changed the world.”
~ Written on the tomb of an Anglican Bishop in Westminster Abby
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We the unwilling led by the unqualified to kill the unfortunate die for the ungrateful.”VTNM sldr war
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“Only after the last tree has been cut down. Only after the last river has been poisoned. Only after the last fish has been caught. Only then will you find that money cannot be eaten.” ~ Prophecy of the Cree Native American Tribe
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Every man is guilty of all the good he did not do.” ~ Voltaire
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The mechanisms of consciousness—the reasons we have a vivid and direct experience of the world and of the self—are an unsolved mystery in neuroscience, and some people think they always will be; it seems impossible to explain subjective experience using the objective methods of science. But in the 25 or so years that we’ve taken consciousness seriously as a target of scientific scrutiny, we have made significant progress. We have discovered neural activity that correlates with consciousness, and we have a better idea of what behavioral tasks require conscious awareness. Our brains perform many high-level cognitive tasks subconsciously.
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Consciousness, we can tentatively conclude, is not a necessary byproduct of our cognition. The same is presumably true of AIs. In many science-fiction stories, machines develop an inner mental life automatically, simply by virtue of their sophistication, but it is likelier that consciousness will have to be expressly designed into them.
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, consciousness must have some important function for us, or else evolution wouldn’t have endowed us with it.
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Besides giving us some (imperfect) degree of self-understanding, consciousness helps us achieve what neuroscientist Endel Tulving has called “mental time travel.” We are conscious when predicting the consequences of our actions or planning for the future. I can imagine what it would feel like if I waved my hand in front of my face even without actually performing the movement. I can also think about going to the kitchen to make coffee without actually standing up from the couch in the living room.
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Consciousness has to do with becoming "born again" and since machines have no, and never will have a soul they will never become conscious.
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If we accept David Bohm's notion of the implicate universe as underlying our perceived explicate universe (you know, time and distance), could it be that consciousness is itself part of the stuff of the implicate universe, and is manifested or instantiated locally wherever / whenever some locus (receiver, transceiver, brain, quantum observer) brings it into focus? Enlightened meat, yeah!
If, "When we know something, we know that we know it," could it be that at that instant of knowing the implicate universe simply resolves (quantum collapse) at our locus, and perhaps harmonizes and aligns with neural patterns? Aha!
Great stuff, lotsa fun, keep questing. Understanding consciousness may be the only way we will transcend the end of the universe.
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