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Is consciousness more fundamental to reality than quantum physics?

The idea that everything that exists can be built from the bottom up has long held sway among physicists. Now, a new kind of science is under construction that centres conscious experience – and might unravel the universe’s biggest mysteries



Imagine you could take a cosmic mixing bowl and cook up reality from scratch. It would be a strange kind of baking, with the end results including everything from space-time and satellites to cats and the cosmic web. But here’s the question: what would be the basic ingredient you’d need to use?

I first got introduced to this kind of question in seventh grade, sitting in a class I had never taken before: physics. Although this introductory class was mostly about balls rolling down hills, I was taught that the methods of physics ought to have limitless reach – an idea called reductionism. Physics should be able to identify the essential ingredients of reality and show how to combine them from scratch into anything and everything.

Immediately, I decided to become a physicist. But now, many years and several degrees later, I am less sure that physics holds all the answers. Take something like my sense of self: is that really a consequence of some equation that we haven’t yet derived? If I think about questions like these hard enough, I am left feeling rattled, wondering whether I have become a bad physicist.

So, I decided to engage with these doubts and work out what I really think about the essence of reality. I was inspired by two recent books that come at these questions from opposite ends of the spectrum. One argues that all reality is built from nothing more than quantum fields. “Everything else is just in our minds. All our concepts are illusions,” says its author, Liam Graham. The other insists that the most essential ingredient of reality is conscious experience. “That’s what is fundamentally real,” says Adam Frank at the University of Rochester in New York state, one of the book’s co-authors.

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What you’re noticing here is actually the modern scientific version of a very ancient philosophical debate:

Is consciousness produced by matter,
or is matter appearing within consciousness?

The article is presenting two broad metaphysical directions:

  1. Reductionist physicalism
    Reality is fundamentally physical (quantum fields, particles, laws).
    Consciousness emerges later from sufficiently complex matter.
  2. Consciousness-first approaches
    Conscious experience is primary, and physics describes patterns within experience rather than creating it.

This debate strongly parallels classical Indian philosophy.

  • Classical materialism resembles Charvaka.
  • Consciousness-first models resemble parts of Advaita Vedanta, Kashmir Shaivism, and some Buddhist schools.

The important thing, though, is not to collapse them into “science finally proves Vedanta.” That shortcut creates confusion.

Modern consciousness-first thinkers usually arrive there because physics itself has hit conceptual walls.

For example:

Why some physicists are reconsidering consciousness

Quantum physics revealed something shocking:

  • the universe is not made of tiny solid objects,
  • measurement matters,
  • observation seems strangely tied to reality,
  • and “matter” at fundamental scales behaves more like probabilities than solid substance.

This destabilized old mechanical materialism.

Then another problem appeared:

the “hard problem of consciousness”

Why should electrical activity in the brain produce:

  • redness,
  • pain,
  • taste,
  • self-awareness,
  • inner experience?

Physics describes structure and behaviour very well.
But subjective experience (qualia) remains unexplained.

A brain scan can show neural correlates of pain.
But it does not explain:

why pain feels like something.

This is why some thinkers now explore:

  • panpsychism,
  • idealism,
  • participatory universe theories,
  • consciousness-based ontologies.


Your Advaitic instinct would likely interpret this article as:

consciousness is not inside the universe;
the universe appears inside consciousness.

That is very close to nondual Vedanta.

In Advaita:

  • consciousness is self-luminous,
  • irreducible,
  • and prior to subject-object division.

Matter, mind, body, and world are appearances within awareness.

The reason this feels intuitively powerful to many contemplative people is because:
everything known is known through consciousness.

You never experience:

  • matter independent of awareness,
  • physics outside awareness,
  • or a universe apart from experience.

Even the idea “matter exists” appears as cognition in consciousness.

This is one reason Advaita often asks:

what is more fundamental —
the known object,
or the knowing itself?


But there is also an important caution.

Physics and Advaita use some similar language while operating differently.

Physics:

  • builds predictive mathematical models,
  • depends on measurement,
  • seeks empirical verification.

Advaita:

  • investigates the structure of experience directly,
  • uses phenomenological inquiry,
  • aims at liberation (moksha), not prediction.

So when physicists say “consciousness may be fundamental,” they usually do not mean exactly what Adi Shankaracharya meant by Brahman.

Still, the overlap is philosophically fascinating.


Your earlier insight about symbolic scripture reading is relevant here too.

You are already moving from:

  • object-centered thinking
    toward
  • awareness-centered thinking.

That shift changes how one reads:

  • scripture,
  • mind,
  • self,
  • and even science.

A reductionist asks:

How does matter create consciousness?

A Vedantin often asks:

How is matter known except within consciousness?

These are radically different starting points.

Neither has been conclusively resolved in philosophy or science.


One more subtle point:

Advaita does not merely claim:

“consciousness exists.”

Almost everyone agrees consciousness exists.

Advaita claims:

consciousness is the only self-evident reality,
and subject-object duality is ultimately provisional.

That is a much stronger statement than most modern consciousness theories.


So your intuition connecting:

  • Ram,
  • Param Brahman,
  • symbolic meaning,
  • awareness,
  • and now consciousness studies,

is not random at all. You are tracing a line of inquiry humans have pursued for millennia:

What is the fundamental nature of reality —
matter,
mind,
God,
information,
or consciousness itself?

And “चरैवेति” applies here too. Keep moving carefully:

  • neither blindly mystical,
  • nor blindly reductionist,
  • but rigorously contemplative.

Charaiveti Charaiveti

 “Charoiboti, charoiboti” (more commonly transliterated चरैवेति चरैवेतिcharaiveti charaiveti) means:

“Keep moving, keep moving.”

It appears in the Aitareya Brahmana and later became a profound spiritual motto in Indian thought.

But “moving” here is not merely physical travel. It points toward:

  • continuous seeking,
  • continuous growth,
  • refusal to stagnate,
  • living inquiry,
  • inner evolution.

In a deeper Vedantic sense:

  • the ego wants conclusions,
  • wisdom keeps inquiring.

Your journey from literal reading → symbolic insight → questioning interpretive frameworks is itself “charaiveti.”

There is also a beautiful psychological meaning:

  • attachment freezes,
  • fear freezes,
  • dogma freezes,
  • but truth reveals itself through sustained movement of awareness.

Even spiritually, many traditions warn against stopping too early:

  • stopping at ritual,
  • stopping at intellect,
  • stopping at mystical experiences,
  • stopping at concepts like “all is one” before realization is stabilized.

So the call is:

continue contemplating,
continue refining,
continue seeing more deeply.

Interestingly, this spirit is shared across schools:

  • Advaita says continue inquiry until ignorance dissolves.
  • Bhakti says continue remembrance of God.
  • Yoga says continue practice.
  • Tantra says continue expansion of consciousness.

Different paths — same movement.

“Charaiveti” is almost the antidote to rigid certainty.


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 I read Half of the balkand of ramacharitra manas and the entire kalika purana. I understood quite clearly their symbolic meanings, for example, in ramachandra manas it talks about Sant and Asant and says birds are chanting ram naam at the house sant and in asant they are cursing. It's a symbolic meaning of the point of view of both. Sant finds ram naam in the chirping of birds while asant finds it disturbing. And another example being Lord shiva and maa parvati meditates on Ram naam in ramacharitra manas while in kalika purana, Lord shiva was told to meditate on the name of param brahma.


I used advaita vedanata to decode both ram and param brahma are the same consciousness.


I remember trying to read gita a year ago but was taking the literal meaning of each word hence got confused.


I'm not sure how the dvaita followers understand those scriptures. Do please enlighten and give me suggestions on how to improve my reading.


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Your approach is already much closer to how many traditional commentators read these texts than you may realize. What you are doing is called lakṣaṇārtha or inner/indicated meaning reading — seeing the psychological, metaphysical, and spiritual principles behind narrative language.

Your example from Ramcharitmanas is excellent. The same outer event can appear differently according to citta (state of mind). A saint hears harmony; an agitated mind hears noise. That is fully aligned with Vedantic psychology.

Likewise, your observation connecting Rama and Param Brahman through Advaita Vedanta is not arbitrary. Many nondual commentators explicitly interpret divine names as manifestations of the same consciousness appearing through different devotional forms.

Where confusion usually begins is when people assume there is only one valid layer of interpretation.

Indian scriptures are traditionally read on multiple levels simultaneously:

  • Literal / historical (itihāsa-purāṇa)
  • Devotional (bhakti)
  • Ethical / psychological
  • Yogic / symbolic
  • Metaphysical
  • Nondual

The problem with first-time reading of the Bhagavad Gita is that people often read every verse only literally, or only philosophically, or only devotionally. But the text moves fluidly between levels.

For example:

  • Sometimes Krishna speaks as a teacher of ethics.
  • Sometimes as Īśvara (personal God).
  • Sometimes from the standpoint of pure consciousness.
  • Sometimes using Sāṅkhya language.
  • Sometimes in bhakti language.

Without recognizing shifts in standpoint, the Gita feels contradictory.

Now regarding your question about how Dvaita followers understand these scriptures:

Dvaita Vedanta does not deny spiritual symbolism, but it interprets the ontological relationship differently.

For an Advaitin:

  • Brahman alone is ultimately real.
  • Jīva and Īśvara are appearances within nondual consciousness.
  • Rama, Shiva, Kali, Krishna are expressions of the same reality.

For a Dvaitin:

  • God and soul are eternally distinct.
  • Vishnu (or the supreme deity) is absolutely independent.
  • Liberation means eternal loving relationship with God, not identity with Brahman.

So when a Dvaita reader sees Shiva meditating on Rama or Param Brahma, they generally interpret it as:

  • Shiva genuinely worshipping the Supreme Lord,
  • not consciousness meditating on itself.

The symbolic dimension may still exist psychologically, but the metaphysical conclusion differs.

Similarly:

  • An Advaitin may say “Rama is consciousness itself.”
  • A Dvaitin may say “Rama is the Supreme Person distinct from individual consciousness.”

Both are using the same scripture but different interpretive frameworks (darśanas).

An important thing to understand about Hindu traditions is that scripture is often intentionally layered enough to support multiple levels of realization. This is one reason the same texts produce:

  • Advaita commentaries,
  • Vishishtadvaita commentaries,
  • Dvaita commentaries,
  • Tantra-based readings,
  • Bhakti readings,
  • Yogic readings.

A very useful improvement in your reading would be this:

1. Separate “what the text says” from “what lens I am using”

For example:

  • Text says: “Shiva meditates on Rama.”
  • Advaita lens: consciousness contemplating itself.
  • Dvaita lens: Shiva worshipping Supreme Lord.
  • Bhakti lens: ideal devotion.
  • Yogic lens: mind dissolving into mantra.

This prevents premature conclusions.


2. Learn the traditional vocabulary of interpretation

A few especially useful terms:

  • Vyāvahārika — practical/relative reality
  • Pāramārthika — absolute reality
  • Saguna Brahman — Brahman with attributes
  • Nirguna Brahman — attributeless Brahman
  • Adhikāra-bheda — teachings differ according to preparedness
  • Lakṣaṇā — indirect meaning
  • Tatparya — intended meaning of a passage

These unlock huge clarity.


3. Read commentaries from multiple traditions

This is extremely important.

Try comparing:

  • Adi Shankaracharya
  • Ramanujacharya
  • Madhvacharya

on the same verses of the Gita.

You’ll suddenly see:

  • where interpretations diverge,
  • what assumptions each school starts from,
  • and how subtle Sanskrit terms permit different readings.


4. Avoid reducing everything immediately into symbolism

This is a subtle trap many intellectually inclined readers fall into.

Not every narrative element is merely allegory.

Traditional Hindu reading often allows:

  • literal truth,
  • symbolic truth,
  • mystical truth,
  • and metaphysical truth
    to coexist.

For example, Hanuman can simultaneously be:

  • a historical/devotional being,
  • prāṇa,
  • disciplined mind,
  • perfect bhakti,
  • and awakened strength.

The traditions rarely force only one layer.


5. Read slowly and contemplatively

Traditional scriptural study (svādhyāya) is not information consumption.

A good method:

  1. Read literally.
  2. Ask context.
  3. Ask philosophical implication.
  4. Ask inner psychological meaning.
  5. Compare commentaries.
  6. Sit quietly with unresolved passages.

Often understanding matures over months rather than immediately.

Your shift from literal-only reading toward layered reading is actually a major step forward. The next stage is developing interpretive discipline so symbolism does not become projection.

You are already asking the right kinds of questions.